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	<title>Comments on: Warning Voices from Big Canoe’s Past</title>
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	<description>What are your thoughts on the proposed fee?</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 11:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jim Mallory</title>
		<link>http://4kfee.com/every-thought-counts/warning-voices-from-big-canoe%e2%80%99s-past/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, First of all, what does my being with BCR have to do with anything??? As to your other comment, I said this "will" have a positive impact on "my" property value. I cannot speak for everyone elses' experience because much depends on the quality of home built, the style of home built, the popularity of the floorplan, the view, the location, the proximity to amenities, the proximity to the main gate or north gate, the elevations, the year built, who built it, etc. 

If my parents had accepted the first offer they got, they would have experienced a $150,000 appreciation in the three years they owned the house. That would have equated to roughly 12% per annum (not too shabby). Due to health reasons, they were unable to accept the offer at the time. They sure do wish they had done so now. 

The current real estate market condition has absolutely nothing to do with Big Canoe and I think everyone knows that by now. We are actually doing a lot better than other areas. It just doesn't feel that way because we were spoiled from 2005 and 2006's record sales. According to FMLS, there were 39 single-family homes that closed during the 1/1/2008 to 6/30/2008 time period referenced above. BCR sold 13 of them or a third. (By the way, 6 of them were "Company Houses" and 7 were re-sale homes). If you look at the same time period during 2007, there were 48 homes that closed and BCR sold 17 of them, or 35.4%. All but three were re-sale homes. Going back to 2006, 90 homes closed during January to July of which BCR sold 33 of them, or 36.6%. Only five of those homes sold were "Company Homes." I don't know where this rumor started that we only sell Company Property and not re-sales, but it is not true. The proof is in FMLS. I can personally state that most of the homes I have sold here are re-sale homes. 

As to the concern that buyers are scurrying away from POA/HOA regulated properties, I doubt that is the majority. Most of the people I talk to (and I deal with developemnt in SC as well), want the security of a gated community, active POA/HOA, and Architectural Controls. There will always be segments of the market doing better at any given time, but in my mind, nothing compares to the beauty of our community, the quality of development and the affordability. Don't blame the lack of sales here as if there is something inherenlty wrong with Big Canoe, the POA, or the Developer. This is a nationwide crisis, just as is the rising prices in gasoline or the declining stock market. I don't know the prognosis for the latter two, but as for real estate here in Big Canoe, it will only get better. It has always rebounded and I am sure it will again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, First of all, what does my being with BCR have to do with anything??? As to your other comment, I said this &#8220;will&#8221; have a positive impact on &#8220;my&#8221; property value. I cannot speak for everyone elses&#8217; experience because much depends on the quality of home built, the style of home built, the popularity of the floorplan, the view, the location, the proximity to amenities, the proximity to the main gate or north gate, the elevations, the year built, who built it, etc. </p>
<p>If my parents had accepted the first offer they got, they would have experienced a $150,000 appreciation in the three years they owned the house. That would have equated to roughly 12% per annum (not too shabby). Due to health reasons, they were unable to accept the offer at the time. They sure do wish they had done so now. </p>
<p>The current real estate market condition has absolutely nothing to do with Big Canoe and I think everyone knows that by now. We are actually doing a lot better than other areas. It just doesn&#8217;t feel that way because we were spoiled from 2005 and 2006&#8217;s record sales. According to FMLS, there were 39 single-family homes that closed during the 1/1/2008 to 6/30/2008 time period referenced above. BCR sold 13 of them or a third. (By the way, 6 of them were &#8220;Company Houses&#8221; and 7 were re-sale homes). If you look at the same time period during 2007, there were 48 homes that closed and BCR sold 17 of them, or 35.4%. All but three were re-sale homes. Going back to 2006, 90 homes closed during January to July of which BCR sold 33 of them, or 36.6%. Only five of those homes sold were &#8220;Company Homes.&#8221; I don&#8217;t know where this rumor started that we only sell Company Property and not re-sales, but it is not true. The proof is in FMLS. I can personally state that most of the homes I have sold here are re-sale homes. </p>
<p>As to the concern that buyers are scurrying away from POA/HOA regulated properties, I doubt that is the majority. Most of the people I talk to (and I deal with developemnt in SC as well), want the security of a gated community, active POA/HOA, and Architectural Controls. There will always be segments of the market doing better at any given time, but in my mind, nothing compares to the beauty of our community, the quality of development and the affordability. Don&#8217;t blame the lack of sales here as if there is something inherenlty wrong with Big Canoe, the POA, or the Developer. This is a nationwide crisis, just as is the rising prices in gasoline or the declining stock market. I don&#8217;t know the prognosis for the latter two, but as for real estate here in Big Canoe, it will only get better. It has always rebounded and I am sure it will again.</p>
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		<title>By: Very Concerned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Very Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last Wednesday, a Big Canoe realtor told me that he has plenty of business, just no business at Big Canoe. 

He told me of one of his buyers from Florida; the buyer is looking at lots for a future home in North Georgia.

This realtor sorted through over a 100 lots and gave the buyer information on 12 lots to review and told him that there was not enough time to visit all of the lots in a single day.

The buyer took the 12 lots and removed all of the lots that were in communities that had a HOA/POA (CC&#38;Rs). He wanted to visit only 5 lots, and of course, none of them in Big Canoe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last Wednesday, a Big Canoe realtor told me that he has plenty of business, just no business at Big Canoe. </p>
<p>He told me of one of his buyers from Florida; the buyer is looking at lots for a future home in North Georgia.</p>
<p>This realtor sorted through over a 100 lots and gave the buyer information on 12 lots to review and told him that there was not enough time to visit all of the lots in a single day.</p>
<p>The buyer took the 12 lots and removed all of the lots that were in communities that had a HOA/POA (CC&amp;Rs). He wanted to visit only 5 lots, and of course, none of them in Big Canoe.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Wyeth</title>
		<link>http://4kfee.com/every-thought-counts/warning-voices-from-big-canoe%e2%80%99s-past/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Wyeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Jim Elliott:

I may be wrong but believe Jim Mallory works for Big Canoe Realty. BCR may have a different perspective on the real estate market locally.
A different realtor with a well-known agency told me that only 39 'properties " had closed for the period 1/1/08-6/30/08.Properties can include lots. I own a prime location in BC and my house has been for sale since Sept 2007 with two lookers and no offers. I had one BCR guy tell me that the 39 number was
wrong because it only included multiple listing sales!!!!! 
The POA is NOT listening!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Jim Elliott:</p>
<p>I may be wrong but believe Jim Mallory works for Big Canoe Realty. BCR may have a different perspective on the real estate market locally.<br />
A different realtor with a well-known agency told me that only 39 &#8216;properties &#8221; had closed for the period 1/1/08-6/30/08.Properties can include lots. I own a prime location in BC and my house has been for sale since Sept 2007 with two lookers and no offers. I had one BCR guy tell me that the 39 number was<br />
wrong because it only included multiple listing sales!!!!!<br />
The POA is NOT listening!!</p>
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		<title>By: Alley_Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alley_Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my golly, where I come from 'son' does not have a prejudicial connotation.  Apologies to you.
I read into your response to ‘how do we pay’ for your suggested upgrades to one of the lowest revenue producing amenities (tennis) as an inference that because you came here as a younger person with your parents your insight was elevated over the ‘lower the drawbridge’ folks (fair and balanced).

Jim we probably agree on more than we disagree on.  Giving the Board a pass because they aren’t paid isn’t one in the agree column.  Spending other peoples’ money requires exercising a higher degree of fiduciary responsibility.  The continued ‘corporate’ mentality has spawned the credibility problem that exists.  

If we make the assumption that the elected Board members are intelligent and honest (absent the willingness to govern publicly), then where is the logic not to take a brief TO (timeout) at this stage and take a breath.  You don’t have to circle the wagons or lower the drawbridge as you say.  Jim Owens has summed it up several times very well in my opinion. 

Anonymity - read Pete Shead’s response to Dean on the board.  Paranoid perhaps but I don’t trust the powers that be.  I have seen and heard too much. Chuckle if you’d like I won’t be offended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my golly, where I come from &#8217;son&#8217; does not have a prejudicial connotation.  Apologies to you.<br />
I read into your response to ‘how do we pay’ for your suggested upgrades to one of the lowest revenue producing amenities (tennis) as an inference that because you came here as a younger person with your parents your insight was elevated over the ‘lower the drawbridge’ folks (fair and balanced).</p>
<p>Jim we probably agree on more than we disagree on.  Giving the Board a pass because they aren’t paid isn’t one in the agree column.  Spending other peoples’ money requires exercising a higher degree of fiduciary responsibility.  The continued ‘corporate’ mentality has spawned the credibility problem that exists.  </p>
<p>If we make the assumption that the elected Board members are intelligent and honest (absent the willingness to govern publicly), then where is the logic not to take a brief TO (timeout) at this stage and take a breath.  You don’t have to circle the wagons or lower the drawbridge as you say.  Jim Owens has summed it up several times very well in my opinion. </p>
<p>Anonymity - read Pete Shead’s response to Dean on the board.  Paranoid perhaps but I don’t trust the powers that be.  I have seen and heard too much. Chuckle if you’d like I won’t be offended.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jim that anyone who offers opinions on this site should use their real name.  I do not agree with Jim that property values in Big Canoe have increased.  Maybe they have if you purchased more than just a few years ago.  We built our house in 2002 and would love to break even.  Jim, how much did your parents home increase in value from the time it was built until it sold?   

I am shocked that the POA Board is recommending the exit fee for a property owner vote.  I attended 2 meetings in reference to the fee, talk to other homeowners on a regular basis, and am still waiting to find more than a handful of people who like the fee.  Why doesn't the Board let us vote on other options?  

I read Smoke Signals Online every day and I must have missed a report from the Board on homeowner comments about the fee.  If I missed it, would someone please tell me where it can be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jim that anyone who offers opinions on this site should use their real name.  I do not agree with Jim that property values in Big Canoe have increased.  Maybe they have if you purchased more than just a few years ago.  We built our house in 2002 and would love to break even.  Jim, how much did your parents home increase in value from the time it was built until it sold?   </p>
<p>I am shocked that the POA Board is recommending the exit fee for a property owner vote.  I attended 2 meetings in reference to the fee, talk to other homeowners on a regular basis, and am still waiting to find more than a handful of people who like the fee.  Why doesn&#8217;t the Board let us vote on other options?  </p>
<p>I read Smoke Signals Online every day and I must have missed a report from the Board on homeowner comments about the fee.  If I missed it, would someone please tell me where it can be found.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mallory</title>
		<link>http://4kfee.com/every-thought-counts/warning-voices-from-big-canoe%e2%80%99s-past/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't consider myself better than anyone and I am not disparaging anyones character. I have no problems with this website. My assumption was that this site was for Big Canoe owners to offer various opinions. If the purpose of this website is to merely bash the board then perhaps I should surf elsewhere. I recognize that these are volatile issues and am merely offering up what I feel to be true for me. I believe our board has our best interest at heart. They are not paid to do this job. They were elected by us and if they are not doing what you want them to do then you can run for office yourself or vote for someone more closely aligned to your point of view. The condescending "son" in my mind discredits you from being fair and balanced in your assessments. My post was not a personal attack against you but rather an honest opinion, and a faithful appreciation of the board and this place that I call home. Again, it is easy to attack behind an alias. Stand up for who you are and what you believe. Don't be afraid to use your name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t consider myself better than anyone and I am not disparaging anyones character. I have no problems with this website. My assumption was that this site was for Big Canoe owners to offer various opinions. If the purpose of this website is to merely bash the board then perhaps I should surf elsewhere. I recognize that these are volatile issues and am merely offering up what I feel to be true for me. I believe our board has our best interest at heart. They are not paid to do this job. They were elected by us and if they are not doing what you want them to do then you can run for office yourself or vote for someone more closely aligned to your point of view. The condescending &#8220;son&#8221; in my mind discredits you from being fair and balanced in your assessments. My post was not a personal attack against you but rather an honest opinion, and a faithful appreciation of the board and this place that I call home. Again, it is easy to attack behind an alias. Stand up for who you are and what you believe. Don&#8217;t be afraid to use your name.</p>
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		<title>By: Alley_Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alley_Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you are a better person for posting with your real name...whatever makes you feel good Jim.  In the meantime, if you don't like the site then that's your problem.  Go point your browser at the stifling POA site or somewhere else.

Son you aren't the only one that has been here a long time.  I know the history of this place as well as anyone.  Financial mismanagement has always been at the cornerstone of every crisis in Big Canoe.  You also aren't the only one that loves Big Canoe.

I am one of your boss's biggest fans (assuming you and your wife are still with the realty company)...as far as developers go he is decent...a good BC Eagle and Society of Jesus fella.

If you want to pay cash for improvements - I am with you.  I am not in the 'lower the drawbridge mentality' (I also think that is a typical and unfair characterization), but rather the fiscal responsibility and sanity crowd.  Going forward Jim the actions of this Board and the previous Board will prove to be an impediment to selling real estate here.  Debt and mismanagement have always been the biggest bugaboos to this community...always playing catch up for past mistakes.

There is a HUGE difference between needs and wants.  To maintain what we need in an adequate manner and paying for it as we go is not an impediment to selling real estate or a 'healthy' community.  Our financial problems have been compounded dramatically by the last go around of amenity upgrades that were not adequately funded by the owners and have incurred significant cost increases not included in the scope of what residents were presented in order to approve the assessment increase.

If the board really wants an honest CIF, the exit sales tax approach is worst way to achieve it.  The real estate meltdown will continue for a number of years due to the expanding credit crisis and the real possibility of the return to 'stagflation' and this is how this Board wants to fund the future??

It is just another slick ploy as the $25/month amenity increase vote (I say be honest with the folks and pay cash as debt for a non-profit community association is irresopnsible management in my view - except for emergencies like the dam breaking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you are a better person for posting with your real name&#8230;whatever makes you feel good Jim.  In the meantime, if you don&#8217;t like the site then that&#8217;s your problem.  Go point your browser at the stifling POA site or somewhere else.</p>
<p>Son you aren&#8217;t the only one that has been here a long time.  I know the history of this place as well as anyone.  Financial mismanagement has always been at the cornerstone of every crisis in Big Canoe.  You also aren&#8217;t the only one that loves Big Canoe.</p>
<p>I am one of your boss&#8217;s biggest fans (assuming you and your wife are still with the realty company)&#8230;as far as developers go he is decent&#8230;a good BC Eagle and Society of Jesus fella.</p>
<p>If you want to pay cash for improvements - I am with you.  I am not in the &#8216;lower the drawbridge mentality&#8217; (I also think that is a typical and unfair characterization), but rather the fiscal responsibility and sanity crowd.  Going forward Jim the actions of this Board and the previous Board will prove to be an impediment to selling real estate here.  Debt and mismanagement have always been the biggest bugaboos to this community&#8230;always playing catch up for past mistakes.</p>
<p>There is a HUGE difference between needs and wants.  To maintain what we need in an adequate manner and paying for it as we go is not an impediment to selling real estate or a &#8216;healthy&#8217; community.  Our financial problems have been compounded dramatically by the last go around of amenity upgrades that were not adequately funded by the owners and have incurred significant cost increases not included in the scope of what residents were presented in order to approve the assessment increase.</p>
<p>If the board really wants an honest CIF, the exit sales tax approach is worst way to achieve it.  The real estate meltdown will continue for a number of years due to the expanding credit crisis and the real possibility of the return to &#8217;stagflation&#8217; and this is how this Board wants to fund the future??</p>
<p>It is just another slick ploy as the $25/month amenity increase vote (I say be honest with the folks and pay cash as debt for a non-profit community association is irresopnsible management in my view - except for emergencies like the dam breaking).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mallory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people are going to post comments on this site, they should use their real names. It is so easy to post anonymously. I am proud to be a second generation Big Canoer and have been coming up here since 1973. During these 35 years, I have seen all the various transitions including when we almost lost this entire development to the banks. What we have now is so much better and less dense than the original plans which called for over 6000 units. The amenities are far superior. The quality of development has significantly improved. We are attracting a larger demographic than ever before. Despite a lackluster real estate market, property values have held and in many cases appreciated. I will gladly pay a higher POA assessment to pay for these improvements because I know that this will have a positive impact on my property value. Whatever small monthly increase this would mean will be far outpaced by the market value of my home. The lower the drawbridge mentality (stop spending, stop growing, no more development) that some of these bloggers seem to be suggesting has never worked and never will. Whenever a community stops addressing improvements and rests on its' laurels is when decline creeps in. Just go back to the 1980's here and you will see what we almost lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people are going to post comments on this site, they should use their real names. It is so easy to post anonymously. I am proud to be a second generation Big Canoer and have been coming up here since 1973. During these 35 years, I have seen all the various transitions including when we almost lost this entire development to the banks. What we have now is so much better and less dense than the original plans which called for over 6000 units. The amenities are far superior. The quality of development has significantly improved. We are attracting a larger demographic than ever before. Despite a lackluster real estate market, property values have held and in many cases appreciated. I will gladly pay a higher POA assessment to pay for these improvements because I know that this will have a positive impact on my property value. Whatever small monthly increase this would mean will be far outpaced by the market value of my home. The lower the drawbridge mentality (stop spending, stop growing, no more development) that some of these bloggers seem to be suggesting has never worked and never will. Whenever a community stops addressing improvements and rests on its&#8217; laurels is when decline creeps in. Just go back to the 1980&#8217;s here and you will see what we almost lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Alley_Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alley_Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim M.,

How do we pay for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim M.,</p>
<p>How do we pay for it?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Wyeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Wyeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie-it's obvious that you have discovered that the POA Directors are not listening to what their constituents have to say...but then, they don't represent us, they represent the  POA corporation.
We are all hopeful that the Sconti operation will be successful and it may be at some future date. However I believe that it will take a dining room monthly minimum to get good attendance and make a profit.
In the meantime, go over to Dahlonega and visit Le Vigne Restaurant in Monteluce for an outstanding meal in a club facility that is fabulous and didn't cost 10 million dollars.
Ask for Sandy Beacham and see how a first rate operation is run. I reccommend that our esteemed Board of Directors go there for an education. To get there follow rte 52 towards Dahlonega until rte 9 -take a left and go 1/2 mile and turn
left on Siloam Church Rd. Go to the stop sign and then go straight -you are om
Hightower Church Rd-Monteluce is on the left about a 1/2 mile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie-it&#8217;s obvious that you have discovered that the POA Directors are not listening to what their constituents have to say&#8230;but then, they don&#8217;t represent us, they represent the  POA corporation.<br />
We are all hopeful that the Sconti operation will be successful and it may be at some future date. However I believe that it will take a dining room monthly minimum to get good attendance and make a profit.<br />
In the meantime, go over to Dahlonega and visit Le Vigne Restaurant in Monteluce for an outstanding meal in a club facility that is fabulous and didn&#8217;t cost 10 million dollars.<br />
Ask for Sandy Beacham and see how a first rate operation is run. I reccommend that our esteemed Board of Directors go there for an education. To get there follow rte 52 towards Dahlonega until rte 9 -take a left and go 1/2 mile and turn<br />
left on Siloam Church Rd. Go to the stop sign and then go straight -you are om<br />
Hightower Church Rd-Monteluce is on the left about a 1/2 mile.</p>
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